Panel+uStream+Conversation

=Sunday Morning Panel Presentation= Featuring Gary Stager, Will Richardson, Sylvia Martinez, Joyce Valenza, Chris Lehmann, David Jakes

08:43 BarbNebraska : @cathyjo, Hello! 08:43 mjmontagne : when I was teaching in a large city district we had very few prep times...way too many kids in the classroom and way too many social ills. 08:43 jepcke : true, but they can have moe leeway with the curriculum 08:44 snbeach : I think we need to stop putting schools and teachers in piles.. and think educators period 08:44 mguhlin : Is this panel almost over? Heck, I overslept! 08:44 kpruitt : we now have 6 sets of data to look at for PSSA test in my school 08:44 tkidd132 : It is a great opportunity to be able to come to this Conference.....And to be able to be a Student Vioce..... 08:44 snbeach : home schoolers, independent schoolers, public schoolers.. we all want to oppen doors for kids 08:44 kpruitt : no timke for anything else 08:44 jepcke : I mean look at SLA? 08:44 Deacs84 : tyrone, you're amazing... 08:44 mjmontagne : we need systemic change in schools...and that will require funding-alot of funding...american taxpayers don't want that... 08:44 BarbNebraska : Parent's are the childrens first teachers. 08:44 lbilak : we have too many meetings run by people who have nothing to give me intellectually 08:44 swagner : SLA has 30+ kids in a class... it can still work 08:45 snbeach : we need to simply learn from the success of others across the board 08:45 BarbNebraska : I have 32 3rd graders in my class 08:45 leebaber : more about method and frameworks than leeway in content 08:45 lizbdavis : Yes - we need to support our teachers. Give them the benefit of the doubt. Empathize with them. 08:45 tkidd132 : Yeah...I thought i was...but really wasn't sure 08:45 snbeach : liz.. to a point.. 08:45 mjmontagne : I think virtual schools will proliferate going forward tho...becuase the system is too molded and unresponsive to change 08:45 tkidd132 : Laura Where are you?? 08:45 snbeach : there is a place and time we need to push them along the change continuum 08:45 Deacs84 : far left of the room 08:45 irtemed : subvert the system :) 08:45 snbeach : teachers need to be nudged 08:46 snbeach : and supported as you nudge 08:46 tkidd132 : up front 08:46 snbeach : the network helps with that 08:46 cfoote : This is an interesting discussion for administrators to hear. seriously. 08:46 BarbNebraska : @snbeach, I would like support!  I teach at a small Catholic school 08:46 snbeach : we need to gently push teachers from comfort zone 08:46 lizbdavis : I nudge the teachers I work with. But I'm very careful about how I interact with my kids' teachers. 08:46 snbeach : and listen as they squirm 08:46 snbeach : and then help them to the next level 08:46 Deacs84 : parents need to take more ownership and be active stakeholders 08:46 snbeach : ongoing PD over time 08:46 mjmontagne : @cfoote...I agree would love to have admin leadership hear this...actually all of the conversations 08:46 tansmom : yes liz, I am afraid to be labeled as a nightmare mom 08:47 johnrivera : it is about parents partnering with their child's teacher so it becomes a collaboration 08:47 mjmontagne : Did anyone hear Dennis Richards' session yestereday...it was EXCELLENT. 08:47 kpruitt : funny, I can't see 5% of my staff getting up on Sun morning to participate....sad 08:47 Deacs84 : but they need to know what education can look like, and be good educators themselves 08:47 wcgaskins : How about the vision of our leadership 08:47 lizbdavis : @tansmom exactly 08:47 cfoote : lol 08:47 tansmom : LOL 08:47 wcgaskins : lo 08:47 snbeach : I think leaders that hear the message that is customized to their needs they get it 08:47 hshawjr : its okay to be a nightmare mom if you are supporting your child - they only have one chance to do go throught this 08:47 BarbNebraska : cute story, I'm a geek, like my sons! 08:47 irtemed : @mjmontagne nope; is it archived? 08:47 mmiller7571 : I am going to email all my teachers a link to this edtechtalk page in case they are interested 08:47 tom_turner : LOL.....geeks raising geeks...sounds like my family here too 08:48 tansmom : true hshawjr 08:48 snbeach : talk up David 08:48 Deacs84 : in our age of abundance we've lost our sense of "need" and many parents aren't modeling active, life-long learning 08:48 lizbdavis : I also think that there is way to much teacher bashing in the media and in politics 08:48 mjmontagne : wonder if the panelists had a rough night last nite? 08:48 BarbNebraska : Got to run, BBL 08:48 tkidd132 : Hey.....Mr. LEhmann Its Funny how your son is just like is daddy while is is young 08:48 mjclausen : students are students! 08:48 snbeach : Chris.. tell David to speak up 08:48 stevesoko : I am so sad I have to leave this live archive will not be the same... but I have to go. 08:48 snbeach : bye steve 08:48 mjmontagne : @irt- Yes, I think all of the ustreams are being archived... 08:48 tom_turner : *wave Steve* 08:48 snbeach : there you go 08:48 Deacs84 : what happens when we have too much...inertia 08:48 snbeach : thanks whoever said that 08:49 mmiller7571 : is the panel mic'd or is the "room" mic'd for ustream 08:49 snbeach : yes! That is my hero.. kids are the focus 08:49 kernkelley : well said 08:49 swagner : no mics for the room for sure 08:49 snbeach : sell the solutions.. yuck 08:50 kernkelley : 85 08:50 tom_turner : he was close 08:50 jepcke : another missed opportunity...where's the media? 08:50 snbeach : how can we have powerful conversations using common assessments to help others see and discover what is working 08:50 mmiller7571 : trying to watch Mickey Mouse clubhouse with a 2 year old while "attending" this conference 08:50 mjmontagne : Was SLA featured in Wikinomics by Tapscott? 08:50 ijesspederson : lol 103 were watching Will yesterday, more watching than they think 08:50 kpruitt : media....they are covering 100th pres debate 08:50 chrislehmann-1 : nope 08:50 wcgaskins : Gary--We have to be working with old media if we want to make this reform happen. 08:50 mjmontagne : I remember a reference to a HS in Tapscott's book 08:51 tansmom : it always starts on the coasts doesnt it? 08:51 mjmontagne : I thought HS was from Hilly 08:51 mjmontagne : Philly 08:51 kpruitt : we get money in may...all is well with the world 08:51 snbeach : it needs to begin with teachers 08:51 snbeach : not media 08:51 swagner : MAKE IT!!! I love it. 08:51 tom_turner : DOH! 08:51 snbeach : otherwise politics will make it what it doesnt need to be 08:51 tansmom : lol 08:51 mjmontagne : sustained PD 08:51 hshawjr : this conference is the like panelist preaching to the choir (nothing is going to change) without getting politicians and other "leaders" getting involved with our passion to help our students 08:51 kernkelley : here's a model to showcase 08:51 mjmontagne : that is what we're after...sustained PD 08:52 nnoakes : why do we have panels in educon2.0? 08:52 snbeach : right sustain PD is the way 08:52 mguhlin : "It can't end today" reminds me of religious retreats. But isn't that what happens? It ends, snuffed out on return to reality. 08:52 drmscearce : As a newcomer, I have felt very welcome and supported 08:52 snbeach : helping teachers find their voice 08:52 mjclausen : I believe the panel is in leiu of a keynote 08:52 tom_turner : @hshawjr hence why I loved the subversive comment so well 08:52 snbeach : help them understand how to be professionals 08:52 mmiller7571 : I like the panel 08:52 snbeach : help them understand action research 08:52 kernkelley : clap clap* 08:52 mjmontagne : @snbeach-that is what I hope you will help us with... 08:52 nnoakes : so what should we have in lieu of the panel ? 08:52 snbeach : how to communicate with the media 08:52 mguhlin : Need to reach the community. 08:52 snbeach : how to share with each others on what is working 08:52 lizbdavis : @nnoakes intersting question 08:52 nnoakes : it is still power of the few 08:52 snbeach : it is about developing teacher leadership 08:53 mguhlin : I like Sylvia's perspective about being pushy 08:53 wcgaskins : I imagine that 2008-2009 will be budget crunches from sate and fed government education How will that affect us al 08:53 hshawjr : using the back door works sometimes, but not quick enough to help our present students enough 08:53 tansmom : yep- good point 08:53 snbeach : so they know how to help learners get what they need 08:53 tansmom : I told an onsite training that if you don't like it, change it 08:53 snbeach : Hi Miguel 08:53 kernkelley : show examples 08:53 mguhlin : Hi Sheryl! Great to chat with you again. 08:53 mjclausen : I like this approach for the start of the day...opens up conversation ideas for the rest of the day 08:53 chrislehmann-1 : We'll be talking about what to do and how to do it in my session this afternoon. (This is Zac Chase) 08:53 mjmontagne : veryone needs to share their success!! 08:53 snbeach : thought you didnt like pushy miguel hahahaha 08:53 tansmom : thought they were going to throw stuff at me 08:53 hshawjr : Like when I was in the military it was easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission 08:53 swagner : ask later.. easier to ask for forgiveness than permssion! 08:53 mjmontagne : I love the idea exchange that goes on in Twitter... 08:54 mguhlin : You've been successful, and shared it well, Sheryl 08:54 kpruitt : all the complaining about canned curriculum yet teachers shy away from anything that doesn't have a guide 08:54 snbeach : to create compelling models means research and time 08:54 jazzymiles : let your students be your voice 08:54 drmscearce : If you loose your job, you have no platform 08:54 snbeach : we need to start sharing action research now 08:54 snbeach : models will come from that 08:54 wcgaskins : yes 08:54 kernkelley : hmmmm 08:54 mguhlin : Quotable quote JazzyMiles "let your students be your voice" 08:54 tom_turner : @hshawjr that's usually my mantra with my teachers who are willing to jump on board with me 08:54 tansmom : I don't think anyone would lose the job if they were trying to be a better teacher, right? 08:54 snbeach : Most effective tool at your school 08:54 mjmontagne : Moodle... 08:54 tansmom : blogs 08:54 mjmontagne : Disagree Gary 08:55 wcgaskins : pencil and paper 08:55 snbeach : ideas in the books maybe 08:55 tom_turner : students 08:55 snbeach : but not the medium of books 08:55 kpruitt : the rod.. 08:55 mguhlin : Books? Sheesh. 08:55 hshawjr : @tom_turner - sometimes it scares them to put it out there, but when they do they are often surprised and empowered 08:55 swagner : are books used effectively? 08:55 swagner : how many did you actually read in HS? 08:55 mjmontagne : Gary hasn't seen our students in study hall with 5 books, 5 binders, 5 spiral notebooks 08:55 leebaber : businesses fuel change in DOE 08:55 snbeach : ideas 08:55 mguhlin : What ARE we trying to accomplish according to Gary? 08:55 lizbdavis : Do we really need to learn to teach differently? I think there are a lot of great teachers not using technology. 08:55 snbeach : any tool to communicate and collaborate 08:55 jazzymiles : be strategic, approach reform like a Chess game within a system that is steeped in politics and ignorance 08:55 hshawjr : books are great, but 60 pound backpacks are pretty horrible 08:55 snbeach : yes we do Liz 08:55 leebaber : get industry involved 08:55 tom_turner : @hshawjr the ultimate "AHA" moments are then to come from the new/never adapters then 08:55 mjclausen : Text books are not used effectively when they are used as the curriculum instead of as a support for the curr 08:56 snbeach : because the classroom has to reach out from behind 4 walls 08:56 snbeach : we have to move toward passion based student centered inquiry driven models 08:56 JackieB : I read hundereds 08:56 mguhlin : @lizbdavis learning without technology prevents access to virtual learning spaces...and that's where it is at! 08:56 drmscearce : kids shouldn't be carrying textbooks, they should be a reference 08:56 mjmontagne : @textbook companies-get with the 21st century distribution model...stop lagging 08:56 mguhlin : or needs to be. 08:56 snbeach : teachers have been chained by standards and test 08:56 hshawjr : @tom_turner - yeah AHA moments not only happen to students, but have to happen to our teachers 08:56 snbeach : 21st C needs to move beyond that 08:56 wcgaskins : yes 08:56 mguhlin : @snbeach i agree 08:56 debbaker : new to the conversation here...the problem with a textbook is that the kids can't make the content their own 08:57 kpruitt : Is this a Mac ad??? 08:57 debbaker : they can't mark it up, change it or make it personal 08:57 johnrivera : it goes back to modeling how to use books. blogs, tools to be better informed/educated 08:57 kernkelley : top down vs bottom up 08:57 mjmontagne : @debbaker...I agree...and they have way too many mistakes...they are inherently faulty 08:57 snbeach : we are constraining our kids in ways that are not productive for their future 08:57 irtemed : 50 ways to use a wiki 08:57 swagner : david has a PC! 08:57 timlauer : @snbeach... before standards and tests... what was the excuse then? 08:57 kpruitt : :) 08:57 lizbdavis : @snbeach Yes - but those teachers are still doing great teaching. They just need to learn the power of technology. 08:57 snbeach : forget the tools 08:57 mjclausen : Good teaching is good teaching regardless of the tool 08:57 leebaber : unfortuntely$$ dictates the biggest top down changes 08:57 snbeach : the tools will change 08:57 snbeach : rethink your practice 08:57 tansmom : clap clap snbeach 08:57 hshawjr : I have used OneNote to make textbooks my own it works a lot better, scanners are a pain though 08:57 mjclausen : But new tools do require new ways of teaching 08:57 wcgaskins : All these tools (web 2.0) helps kids share or becomes a story about what they are learning 08:58 tansmom : that is why it is so slow to change 08:58 mjclausen : just like MRIs changed what it means to be a good doctor 08:58 tansmom : b/c it is a mind shift 08:58 lbilak : communities need to demand change 08:58 snbeach : it is slow to change because of the culture of school 08:58 debbaker : think of what we could use the money that we spend on textbooks for? 08:58 tansmom : not just "give them a smartboard" 08:58 snbeach : for example 08:58 johnrivera : modeling practice is so important. When you don't use a web 2.0 tool in your classroom, you are saying that it is not important to succeed in this class 08:58 snbeach : we created 50 min school periods 08:58 swagner : the texbook companies have dragged us along for the last 30 years 08:58 hshawjr : @tansmom - That is the best I have heard - Mindshift 08:58 drmscearce : communities need to value creativity 08:58 snbeach : we can rethink that 08:58 lbilak : parents are the key to moving the process along 08:58 snbeach : blogs are a medium 08:58 Deacs84 : as a society we need to value creativity 08:58 snbeach : a canvas 08:58 snbeach : they are not the learning 08:59 mjmontagne : teachers are pretty addicted to textbooks...I think the textbook comapnies like that 08:59 mjclausen : A blog is actually a great tool for meeting 99% of the comm arts curriculum 08:59 snbeach : they are not the strategy 08:59 snbeach : they are one of many choices 08:59 debbaker : textbooks are safe... 08:59 snbeach : and blogs will change soon 08:59 snbeach : to a new tool 08:59 dhammond : teachers - step one, learn about RSS and get a reader 08:59 snbeach : do NOT make your teachers tool, dependent 08:59 Deacs84 : strategic and not reactive, tool-dependent 08:59 snbeach : I agree diane 08:59 lizbdavis : Chris thinks we should read actual books :) 08:59 lbilak : they need to take over the meetings they attend and be like Will, Gary, Sylvia 08:59 hshawjr : textbooks are safe for non-educators, it is how they were taught and they understand it 08:59 mjmontagne : @snbeach-yes, tool dependant is bad... 08:59 snbeach : good writing-- begins with reading no matter what the tool 09:00 kernkelley : the tech tool HAS to replace something they currently use - not enough time otherwise 09:00 Deacs84 : textbooks are a crutch? 09:00 debbaker : @hshawjr correct 09:00 tansmom : I am not so sure I agree kernkelley 09:00 PaulPam2 : I wish we could get to our web 2.0 tools they are blocked 09:00 kpruitt : teachers do need to know what tools are available to be effective, right? 09:00 mjclausen : tool dependant put us in the spot we are in now--textbook and pencil dependant 09:00 snbeach : have students create the textbooks using what ever outcomes you decide.. state standards.. or others 09:00 kernkelley : teachers don't have time otherwaise 09:00 debbaker : again..it goes back to...if they don't know the possbilities, they won't know what to ask or look for 09:00 snbeach : let them design the learning experiences 09:00 mjmontagne : @mjclausen-yep 09:00 tansmom : it can't be seen as another thing- it has to be embedded 09:00 snbeach : let them figure out how mastery of objectives will be shown 09:01 ehelfant : we've moved to coursepacks and to text as resource only 09:01 tansmom : otherwise it will seem like there is not room for it 09:01 snbeach : they can use texts, web 2.0, people 09:01 kernkelley : exactly - can't be added on 09:01 hshawjr : snbeach - that is what the goal of each class should be to develop their thinking skills and actually make something they will remember 09:01 wcgaskins : The power of using Wiki in the classroom can be powerful for helping students design their learning 09:01 dhammond : find your heros, ok, be a hero for your students 09:01 hshawjr : critical thinking skills 09:01 snbeach : that is right and if they develop the leqarning activities and help you decide what is impt to learn.. then they will engage more and own it 09:01 Deacs84 : they remember what they create, they create when they are part of the story